Hey! I just realized, I can get the full version via the bryce upgrade and save some cash at the same time! I wonder if that's "kosher" or not? Well, you know, considering.... Actually, Varian, one thing I left out is that I am also planning on getting a new system soon, too. My PC, a Compaq with a 600 mhz Athlon was really top o' the line a year and a half ago, but seems to be kinda outdated now. Go figure! Well, I won't get rid of it when I get a new system, but will probably end up using it for those "ultra" renders, so I can have it tied up and still be able to do computer-like things on my new one-- hopefully a dual 1.5 ghz Athlon system with Win NT or 2K... gotta check the prices thoiugh, and I'm going to Comp USA later today to have a look at what's new. :)