Soon as poser finnishes calculating the cloth dynamics on the Nightworld cloak I have turned into an OBJ I will give it ago...

Miss Nanacy, I have no experience of older version of poser, but the fingers were definately all messed up, and I also seemed to get some creep, plus the joint limits were different as the pose that the legacy model had was not fully realized whne the BVH was used on V4, in particular the arms on the legacy model were straight down (she was at attention), but V4 had her arms out at about 15 degrees.. quite a big difference. So if the low poly daz vickies work... its definately better than using the older vickies and then having to fix everything...