Thanks pitklad, part of my problem is some sort of conceptual blindness in modeling but part is my Parkinsonian tremor which makes working by mouse difficult. Wings is the clearest and I have tried Anim8tor which is okay and wasted money on Shade, RayDream, Hexagon and others. All I can manage is building things with morphing primitives in Poser maybe because I can work mainly by dial. I had hoped Weird Juice was the answer but it gave arbitrary placement of vertice that gave edge artifacts even after smoothing with PhilC's tools. I wish I could learn to build stuff in Poser and then use wings to weld the joins where I wanted smooth blends. I once was able to do that sort of thing and extruding and "dimensionalizing" edges in Anim8tor but I can't seem to do that anymore :(