Also with the exception of the upper body veins branch away from the heart so you wouldn't see leg veins branching up from the ankle, it would be the opposite. They branch out and become smaller as they leave the heart. Main trunk to branches just like a tree. Checked out that guy you mentioned, from what I saw he's great, but didn't see any veins just muscle. Sorry to make a big deal out of this but if a person takes the time to do a product they should do a little research and get it right, esp at the prices he charges.