Thank you, JB. Heres the image for the hands and feet. Also, I found my constraint problem - the constraint angles dissappear from the constraint editor if you move an object and undo the move. The entire chain's constraint angle options disappear. This is why they dissapeared first and came back later; in one i moved, undid, and closed without saving, when I reopened, the angles were there because I hadn't moved/undone. Eovia, hear our plea! Fix this madness! Nebula [Supernova Studios](http://snstudios.dk3.com)