Hey Mikel, it's ok, you didn't come across as harsh... But for whatever reason, that technique is working for your, and Bryce is sticking it's tongue out at me cause look at my picture above and you see it dies after a certain point, whereas yours creates the right effect... But like I was telling Canine, I must retarded regarding this technique... I mean, there's so many other things in Bryce I can do and for whatever reason this keeps eluding me... Would it be ok to email me the bryce file?? My email is taledar@aol.com... This way I get to see how Canine did it and how you did it... thanks...