I agree you with that bryce sky-thing. BUT, (there is always one but ;o) sometimes that glow gives "that extra something" for the pic. I have played with bryce skies, and, hated 95% of those. But, ex. in this piece, that glow is essential. (will post it after this) And about Vicky (and all models) the point is, originality. To do something own, to show something unseen, to point out something different. There are guys who do miracles with Vicky, and there are guys who do the same boring shit that everybody else have done million times before. Again, and again. I guess its the same thing with bryce skies too. "Download a texture - download sexy ligeries - download a pose and adjust a bit - download some ready props - adjust camera a bit - render" Asphalt can be original, if you can find the correct view. -N