Joke, First off, at least for me, at the moment, the link to your PDF manual isn't working. (Maybe it's just overloaded--but I thought you might want to know.) Secomd: I have purchased Susanna, and also recieved the upgrade. One thing puzzles me (its a minor point, but odd): The original PDF is 982KB, the update PDF is 2.92 MB; yet there is only about one-half page difference in length! Why such a large difference in file size? Also, when I print out the manual the page numbers don't correspond to the ones viewed on the screen (weird Adobe PDF stuff, I guess.) I have Susanna installed, but haven't used it yet; I need about a full day to fiddle and faddle, and I am working myself to death paying bills--just waiting for a full day off. WIll then also tryout the Natural Pose demo. Still hoping someone out there has tried each one and can compare before I do. Hey, Konan and Joke: Why not give each other a free copy of your respective programs? Then see what good you can find in each other's approach? Imagine what might come out of a collaboration? Competetion is good, but collaboration soars!