Hello again all..... now for some good news..... i had a spot of inspiration this morning and shazem.... a more complex Version 2 mud shader.... i will post it on my website shortly (follow the link on my previous post)
i have added a quicky render to show what it did...

1st fixed the difference between smears of mud and clumps....
2nd the base texture or colour does not effect the clumps of mud anymore...
and 3rd'ly the mud is the same no matter where it goes so its the same across V4 and her clothes and the floor and her hair....

right im hoping the image will appear in this post, if not it will be in the next one...lol... (and what is the maximum file size for pics in the forum????)lol

Getting old and still making "art" without soiling myself, now that's success.