Well, its obvious now that Bryce is a render engine and only used to render stuff created in other apps and post enhanced to make it nice. I'm disappointed because Bryce has so much to offer for the folks who take the time to learn it. I don't believe in the purist approach, but I also don't believe in the opposite (using bryce only to render what was made elsewhere and nothing but a black background). Is there anyone out there that even knows about the DTE or the little button on the noise/phase popups that opens up the fractal equasions? Congrats to the winner, shame on the voters. This might seem harsh, but its quite clear that this isn't a bryce contest. Scald me if you will, its exceedingly clear that those who sweat and work with bryce take the back stage to the ones who put a simple poser image up for the vote. I'm here to learn about Bryce and share with other brycers. Can't compete with the poser crowd cuz I don't have the money to buy it. Let me know what you folks want to do. If this contest is to be voted on by the poser users only then I'm on the wrong forum. I don't see any reason to enter any more. All I learn now is that without Poser and with Bryce as nothing but a black backround, the entry means nothing. Guess I best enter my images in the Poser forum. Sorry for going off like this, but ... um.... no, I'm not sorry. This is the Bryce forum! Quite frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a damn. I'll enter again when I think a bryce entry will be appreciated.