These are cool. I'll have too do a more in depth reading of the manual. I've been pouring over poser 4 lately, but really have to get back to Bryce. It was my first product for 3D creation, and my favourite. I recently aquired AutoCad R 14 from an uncle for a birthday gift (He is an Architect, and hopes I'll join the fanily firm someday.) I'm still learning the interface, and hope, with time, to make some useful things for the Bryce Forum. If you have any sugestions, advice, experience with AutoCad R 14 for use in Bryce (I've only used AutoCad for Windows 3.1, but I'm learning the R 14 for 98) it would be appreciated, and I'll do my best. That's all I can promise. Twister