Ok, I have run across my ocean foams, and as usual there in the last dvd disk i had left to check. But I found them, the one i needed is called ocean material.mat. I'm thanking the person a million times over for letting me get it. Just wished i could remember who it was. And i thank everybody here that tried to help. ThunderStone, bobbystahr, SndCastie, skiwillgee, and NanetteTredoux I thank you all. I might need that Copernic Desktop Search one day. THANKS CASTRO2007