AJ, I have the highest respect for the winner, almost voted myself. That was a remarkable entry and did use Bryce lighting and some cloud/fog layer in it. And it was the choice of the voters that it fit the theme of the contest. Congrats once again to AgentSmith. (I do not wish to take anything away from his victory, it was well earned.) As for the extra work on Ken, maybe there's another option. The voters use a score sheet and choose one only. The score sheet adds points for Bryce technique, reduces points for poser dominated scenes, etc. Of course, the final gut choice gets the most points. Voter tallies and enters the choice. This changes the voters from just arbitrary choices to more of a judging choice. Dunno, just thought I'd throw that out. Doom, Yeah, you're right, my apology. There are many who post here that have above expert skills with Bryce and some of the undocumented features. As for Agent's plans, he or she is free to choose and I hope there's no self imposed (or peer imposed) restrictions. This is America after all. Perhaps the winner can choose "Poser dominated" or "Bryce dominated" scenes in the contest. After all, there is skill and much to learn about the importing process. This would help me decide if its a Bryce contest that I can enter or a Bryce contest that is beyond me. Just food for thought.