> Quote - You didn't show me the IBL image you're using. What I'm saying is you need one like this. In fact, try this. > > The amount of light from the sky is like 10 times what comes bouncing up from the ground. > > If you're doing an outdoor daylight render, this is the type of image you need to use.

Sorry I forgot i am trying to  figure out all this stuff and I keep getting distracted and losing my place lol. but this is the one I used and if i had looked closer i would never have used it since it seems that all the outdoor ones i have have friggin cars in them even if  you cant see them in the thumbnails.

Edit: sec damned thing is too big got to shrink it a bit.

here we go