Quote - I did not say it was useless to cut and paste as a way to make the artifact go away. I said it is useless to claim the cut and paste is a differentiator, or proof or evidence, between two hypotheses being examined - topology versus normals (it changes both), or Maya bug versus Poser bug

Nobody said you had to dissect things. But what you're doing is called "hackery" in computer software. "I changed the 2 to a 5, and it doesn't crash anymore. I don't know why that works."

Software developers get fired for that kind of shit. If you want to hack your way past the problem and move on, that' fine.

I'm responding to the statements that Poser has a bug and a bug report should be filed.

If you don't want to find out what the problem is, and where it lies, you are free to remain unclear on what works and what doesn't and whose fault that is.  :) But you should stop reading this thread, because eventually I will reveal the underlying problem.

I never claimed that the cut and paste method was a way to test a hypothesis, only that
it was a solution to a problem, so don't put words in my mouth. This so called "hackery" is something that is required to obtain properly rendered objects, under certain specific conditions, due to the nature of  Poser's render engine. You seem intent on tearing down anything I say in this forum, simply because I disagree with you. You just can't stand anyone having an opposing view to yours, can you? You know, you're not the absolute font of knowledge on 3D, you're just not. I wonder how much 3D modelling you've actually done. Bugger all, I suspect.

I don't need a lecture from you on computing or anything else, thanks very much.
I've been creating models that render perfectly in Poser for years, without a single complaint. I already know what works and what doesn't, but if you want to dick around for a week with a cylinder, then go right ahead. I'm way beyond the point of caring. The atmosphere in here has become toxic. It's no wonder people get the shits and leave. I have better things to do than to waste any more time here. It's just not worth it.