pjz99, " If this is a goal for you, for your painting to always resemble Poser people"

No of course not! I only want to use it as a reference image, but I also use other references so no trace of poser is allowed to exist. I know that I as a beginner probably shouldn't say this, but IMO I can't see anyone in this thread who make less Poserlike figures..With all due respect as far as I can see, they have not made the slightest attempt to "de-Poser", ie they do not even want to.