Sbnox's reaction was one made in instant messages and in an email to me. I did not see fit to publish those. Basically though, he wanted a show of faith in him from me. I am not much on faith. Give me something I can work with ;) Give me the textures in other words. I cannot now, nor did I then come jumping to one side of this or the other. Not sure about the others in this thread. All I can do is what I am very good at, determine if one texture is a derivative of the other. I am waiting on Staale to point out to me which one of his textures on his site this is a derivative of, so I can download it and compare. I am in the middle of packing for a move, so really don't have alot of time to allocate to experimentation right now, and need people to just work with me here ;) InBlack... please dont assume that you are being singled out by every word I write. If you believe I have addressed you, then I apologize, but I honestly have not had much to say to you personally in this other than the short quotes to correct or address statements made by you much earlier in the thread. I would just a soon avoid speaking to you at all, really. This thinking everything I write, or others write, is to you personally is about as silly as thinking there is some huge secret clique out there defending Dmentia, not letting you beta test, and purposely irritating you with postings of images you don't want to see of what is being tested by whom. All I see are two very silent artists, Staale and Dmentia, and alot of us being loudmouths. As to which version would be compared, there has not in fact been a change in the for sale version of the product at all. It is still the same one it was earlier. To substitute one product for another would take staff help to Dmentia. All she can do is what may or may not have happened, change her advertising through her advertising control room. Actual file changes of what is for sale are a whole new ball of wax entirely, requiring reupload, new testing even, deciding if it is a "new submission" or just an old one that has a minor update, all that stuff. There has been no change in files.