Perhaps, some of us who jumped on Neftis, had our own, private reasons. Wrongs done that we did not publicy air. In my case, this was true. My assistant purchased the "Marilyn". She is just the nicest person, and, normally, loves everything she gets from the marketplace. She did not LOVE Marilyn. She sent Marilyn to me, to see if I could get her "usuable". This was the first, and ONLY thing that I can recall she was totally unhappy with, in almost 3 years. She tried to get her money back, but, got a "shine on" from Neftis, instead. I told her to take it to C&D. She did. No one cared, at all. I did not participate in that small thread, as, I thought I was way too biased. Sometimes, PJ, there are underlying issues when one jumps on a bandwagon. Underneath all the personas, clowns, and what have ya...we are all human.