Geez, this is rediculous. I am with Doom Dancer on this one, why do these things have to become such a big bloomin' soap opera farce by those that would make this into a mockery, because that's what it becomes when it gets like this, was that last petty circus not enough to quench the masses?? Someone starts a fire and everyone seems to like watching the flames just get bigger and bigger until that smoke hits em in the face and they choke on it or they get burned themselves by the long licking flames. Cliques, cliques, cliques, sure, there's cliques eveywhere in life and on forums, people have friends, unfortunatly some have more than others but that's life, unfortunatly what begins being a problem is when friends try to help by causing more shit, or deny or ignore others just because they have certain FRIENDS, somehow I don't THINK that's the plan, but somehow it usually always works out being that way, and then you get REAL cliques and even lynch mobs and the beat goes on and on and on. InBlack, I would "ask" you to "please look" at what you yourself are saying and doing on this thread, its not exactly fit for an episode of Barney....and I do NOT mean that offensively in the least bit for like Doom Dancer I do not even KNOW Dementia, (heard of the name but cannot even picture the art now), nor do I know you, which brings me to another item here...why is everyone so keen on making this all into a clique of favoritism whenever we may say something that the opposite "sides" don't wish to hear, I mean, I am an oldtimer here, I am NOT a friend of Dementia and hardly know of her, and if this is the case for me, I am CERTAIN I am not alone! What kind of gall is it that suggests that "everyone" has to be in the know of all the so called accused fuddy duddy's around here, just because some folks here may worship Dementia or think she is made out of gold don't mean we all know this or even think this way, I could care less if she was the Queen of England, when I don't even know her from Adam! I also don't know staale, I am obviously batting a strike out of not being in the know here, sheesh! What a way for me to get enlightened on people, fighting and scuffling and carrying on when all this really should be dealt with discreetly and respectfully, as should the other have been as well. The staff here at Renderosity have the right idea, unfortunatly they cannot always enforce it nor make us realize the beneficiaries from this, but lashing out and screaming and fighting is NOT at all becoming of folks, especially ones that are apparently so highly respected and nourished as this Dementia, her friends are NOT doing her justice, they are hurting this even MORE. They tell me to hush up my mouth when I get pissy about some asshole telling me off on these forums and yet THIS shit is all OKAY??? What a crock of shit, nitty, nitty, picky, picky, sounds looney cause of all this, because we make it so by carrying on here like a bunch of morons when this should be dealt with seriously behind closed doors between those parties involved, not all these side effects. All this hissy fit stuff helps no one and just makes for a nice bashfest party for all those wanting to be a part of a scene, man, makes me feel like even I am a rubbernecker here, sheesh....and it also makes me realize how dumb and stupid I myself sound when I go off half cocked, thanks for finally making me realize my own errs by sheer examples....now I know....