*Forget V4 and M4 in the Face room, Daz would loose waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much cash if we didn't need their face morphs to make our characters unique.

*I remember a post here of some years ago, that Daz refused to pay for a faceroom implication in Poser 5 for their models and that was one of the reason they broke-up with Curious Labs.
I think this is strange story, because Appolo maximus, which is a free model does have face-room functionality.
When efrontier launched poser7, Daz released about at the same time V4. A lot of problems that occurred in poser 7 where caused by some new functionality that Daz had put in V4. If Efrontier and Daz had better communicated then, there would has been a lot less problems.
I agree that there is little proof for a new coöperation between the two companies, but the fact that they are selling each other products is proof that they are talking. At least it's some sign to the customers that something is happening.

Bopper.

-How can you improve things when you don't make mistakes?