Well thank you for the compliment on my shot :-) yes I agree I dont want to look like a david hill twin lol but I want to know the rules before I break them lol his work just happens to be the look I have always had in my head. but have never seen before in my own work or any ones work lol now that I see it is possible. my goal isnt so much wanting photoshop tricks now. im wanting lighting tricks (how ever I could kick myself for selling all my lights awhile back ) lol

think im going to have to go buy lights again today :-)

is there a place I can learn theatrical lighting. like they do on movie sets?

that the level of lighting I want to learn now.. im finding photoshop really has its limits. if its not in the image already faking it in photoshop just really kills the image I think. and I think that has been my problem in the past. I have relied on photoshop way to much :-)

here is my first test shot of trying david hill using a back light behind my son.. I did one shot without the back light and he blended so much into the ugly green cabnets lol
so this one I just tried a back light firing up behind him. and it really cut him out the image :-)