I'd like to formally apologize for my rant. I got 4 hours of sleep, and I wrote that a not long after I woke up. Looking back on it, I do understand Steph's point. My main concern was whther or not it was actually worthwhile reading the 414 page instruction manual for the software, when I could merely just download the free stuff. Still, I know the work these people put up is incredible, and that's why people use them, but, even though it's bitch-ass hard to do, hopefully I will eventually be able to make my own models, textures, and such. I understand texturing more than modelling, but I'd like to be able to mesh the two together on my own. I understand your comparison to photography steph, but i do have to disagree with it slightly. Photography to me is more of the "capturing the moment" sort, while 3D modelling is more of the "creation of the moment" sort. On one hand, unless you want an all black or all white screen shot, you're going to need to add materials to a scene for the aphotograph, be it on purpose or not. The great thing about 3D modelling, is you can start off with a blank screen, and sit there and create your scene from nothing. I know it's probably somewhat hypocritical sounding, BUT C'MON, work with me here, lol. Just a (albeit longwinded) thought. I'm at Alison's house right now. She's arriving by plane in TWO HOURS!!!!!!!!! ry