Gafaww. Yeah right. I understand your point also Slinky. i've tried texturing skin before and found the resulting face wanting help. I tried making a simple mesh and had equal results. Which was why I asked you about 3D programs last time we chatted. Make no mistake good things always seem to require work. Frustrating isn't it. Four hours eh. I hope you didn't sleep too much in front of the computer. Have a good weekend. Bsteph