(Sorry I have to keep making little text boxes, it will only alow me to upload small amount of text at a time for some reason.) But anyway, That is at least the old philosophy. But I still have it in my head the way Metacreations thought. Their philosofy was simple, if you buy somthigng from them, and use it or inprove upon it, then hay great, that will generate more interest. That was the way it always was from the begining. For instance I remember this forum at Ground Zero. The first day when it was The "Poser Forum Online" and had a total of 10 links. There wasn't much there, but over the years, all of us to one extent or another, contributed to the comunity by taking what someone did previously, and building upon that to make somthing new and better. Victoria ia acualy a comertial vertion of "EVE" (Evolution woman" that used to be available at travalers sight. and though people will argue that, if you look at the way that Eve" is cut up, it is the same way vickie is. This was done because people here at the forum were tiered of joints that didn't work naturaly, and took the P4 woman and change the way she moved to make it more natural. Zigote, or DAZ, (Dont remember if which released Vickie 1)liked the idea so much they took the consept and releaced a better figure with theose joint parameteres.