Things to consider People fear things they don't understand, they always have, and most likelly always will...the origional witch hunts were based on this fear, and alot of innocent people died because of them...It's human nature to "fear" the unknown... If your world is crumbling around you because people who "fear" you decide to lynch you, then take pride in the fact that whilst they are busy rushing you to the stake, some other poor soul is avoiding thier wrath... For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me" is about the biggest lie ever told to man by another man...the pain you cause others may be more serious than you know so choose your words wiselly when attacking the unknown. To AssUMe makes an Ass of U & Me...Wudeness is a sign of weakness you must never be wude...Opinions are like assholes everybody has one and most of them stink... Of the words and deffinitions below what best describes you? and the people you know personally?...In a world where technology has advanced to the point that you honestlly never need to leave your home, alot of the population has become reclusive. Technical hermits if you will. clique - A small exclusive group of friends or associates. clique - A narrow circle of persons associated by common interests or for the accomplishment of a common purpose; -- generally used in a bad sense. clique - To associate together in a clannish way; to act with others secretly to gain a desired end; to plot; -- used with together. clique - an exclusive circle of people with a common purpose hermit - A person who has withdrawn from society and lives a solitary existence; a recluse. hermit - one who lives in solitude hermit - A person who retires from society and lives in solitude; a recluse; an anchoret; especially, one who so lives from religious motives. recluse- A person who withdraws from the world to live in seclusion and often in solitude. friend - a person you know well and regard with affection and trust peer - A person who has equal standing with another or others, as in rank, class, or age enemy - One who feels hatred toward, intends injury to, or opposes the interests of another Should you fear me?...maybe I am unknown, you don't know the first thing about me, I may live two blocks away from you and suffer from dementia...its possible, even if I swear otherwise, you still don't know enough about me to be sure...I may be a witch if you beleive in that sort of thing, and I may curse any one who messes with me to a life of misery...Fact is you don't know who or what I am, I am the unknown. Should I fear you?...DEFFINATELLY!!! In a matter of minutes you have the ability to shatter what took a life time to create...What's to stop you?...I don't know a thing about you...and from what I've seen, my fear is justified... _____________________________________________________________________________ Personal notes... I am a human, I am mortal, and I do feel pain just like the rest of you...I've been crucified by my peers, not my friends, not my enemies, and not some mysterious non existant clique. Do I have friends?...I have only a handful of people in the world that I would consider friends outside my family, and they are just as reclusive as I am...Never even met them face to face... Do I have enemies?...I can only think of two people that I would actually consider an enemy, and neither of them frequent these forumns... Am I part of any clique?...No, I'm not, I have always been the odd one out, my personality isn't one that would even fit in a clique. I have been a loner all my life and I don't expect that to change any time soon... An appology is a very serious thing for me, I will not appologize to some one if I am not sorry. There are times that I start out being sorry, but the person does enough damage to me that I am no longer sorry for anything. One other little detail about me, you can't hurt me by attacking me personally, well you can, but you wont get a rise, you will never know how bad you've hurt me...I will not tolerate you hurting my friends or family though...This latest mess has hurt both my friends and my family... And not one of you ever bothered to contact me, not one single solitary mud slinging mob member attempted to contact me, not one... _____________________________________________________________________________ My Responses 1. It's my post, I have no response to it... 2. Although I find your tactics very immature, and I do not personally own any of your textures, its highlly possible we used the same source material, or that I referenced a derrivative of your texture while creating Bobby Sue...This could have been handled privatelly, but you chose a scandal...hope you're happy with the outcome. 3. er...Totally unrelated! 4. Excuse me, but I only made two comments in the thread you reference, the first saying it needed to be handled by the parties involved, and the second my opinion after being attacked in that thread...Also the copying of my textures was not "alleged" I followed procedure, and never brought that incident into the public light until after my case was proven...please get your facts straight! 5. It would have been very nice indeed, but it seems there are a few people dead set on seeing me fall for what ever reason... 6. If 2 comments equals an active part in a lynching, then you've deffinatelly gone above and beyond the call of duty in this post. They aren't my rules, and the same rules apply to us all. The lines on your palms are quite unique if you take a really really microscopically close look, but neither texture in question is that detailed...the larger lines in your palms are generally the same for everyone with a few minor exceptions...Why should I have to explain myself to you or any one else for that matter? 7. Actually Neftis was given a chance, quite a big chance considering I didnt go public with the Tessoro incident until well after the fact... 8. At this point does it matter wether they were right or wrong?...The damage done can not be undone, unfortunatelly life doesnt work that way, and no amount of appologizing is going to solve anything... 9. With holding judgement and yet still fueling...the flames never die if you continue to fuel them... 10. You cant keep a thread from going out of control once its already gone... 11. No, the recent lynchings have taught people that its ok to do it and the judgement is always guilty until proven innocent... 12. Ironic yes, amusing no...calm and caution went out the window as soon as Staale posted this in a public forumn... 13. Honestlly you've given this thread enough attention for several people...Your logic is so flawed its not even worth commenting on...Neftis is a vendor just like I am, her products sell just as well if not better than mine do, so we are part of the same group... 14. Thanks for the heads up on Seven of Nine, wish you would have told me way back when rather than waiting this long, I created that pack before I fully understood the workings of poser, and I honestlly thought that since the origional hair model refrenced the obj in the geometry folder, my hr2 did as well...Live and learn... 15. Reserving judgment while fanning the flames is a silly notion... 16. my comment, to late to fix the damage, and apprentlly not good enough for some peoples tastes, you know not one of you bothered to contact me...not one! 17. Ok, so I say it was an honest mistake, then everyone crusifies me a bit more, or I say Nope, Staale is over reacting, then everyone takes sides and crucifies us both...I wasnt being charming, I was trying to be mature and realistic... 18. Mobs are dangerous...Fireworks got rained out, but there were plenty here to go around... 19. Sure it'll sort itself out, when people stop fanning the flames, and let it sort itself out... 20. You have no idea how I reacted to this, you only saw what you wanted to see...I'm sorry but the way you're going, you're not even worth reasoning with, I'll not respond to any more of your posts, Unplug dear! 21. I put alot of work into my textures also, and even if some one owes some one else a really big appology, its not your call or your business, no matter which way it goes, it should have been handled between the parties in question... 22. lips and eyes arent in question...and the damage has already been done with no evidence... 23. Aren't you out of fuel yet?...*sigh* 24. It's amazing how that clique word gets thrown around here... 25. Kleptolippia?...hmmmm...call websters, I think you got a winner there... 26. is that differences or similarities you're pointing out?... 27. color shade combos copyrightable?...thats a scary thought... 28. you're right, its not your place, and what about all the trouble I went through, and all the hell I've just been put through... 29. Good point, but it will be ignored... 30. Some one took it upon themselves to do that, violating the licence agreement in the process... 31. You own a gas company I take it...am I right? 32. Obviouslly I'm right... 33. Hmmm, you're no proffessional and yet you continue to fan these flames...I'll no longer take your comments seriouslly either... 34. There is a better way to handle these situations, but if we started handling them that way, then people would go back to watching soap operas... 35. Rabid...now that deffinatelly describes the situation... 36. You're partners in that gas station with inblack arent you? 37. Being that I never even saw one of your origional textures before this thread started it would be highlly unlikelly that I copied it...You started being the bad guy way up in post #2...And yes my textures are still on sale... 38. These are the days of our lives...oops I plagurized a soap opra title... 39. I appreciate your logical unbiased non flamatory statement... 40. Thanks Anton 41. I'd like to see this "evidence" 42. In a message that already contains 42 posts, can you blame me for not wanting to discuss it publiclly?... 43. You own an entire chain of gas stations...right? 44. and I guess you own 50 or so acres of forest for firewood as well... 45. Faelyn was never removed, and yes the market place image was changed...why would I change the image?...read the previous 44 posts and figure it out...Will I appologize?...um at this point right or wrong, HELL NO!!! 46. Better late than never I guess... 47. Arent you tired of fanning yet?...*sigh* 48. Hate to see you go, but if this doesnt end and soon, I'll be right behind you... 49. right... 50. didnt your mom ever warn you not to play with matches? 51. whats this other item of curiosity?... 52. I did respond, and no one, not one single person bothered to contact me...so obviouslly none of these people care to hear what I have to say, they only want blood... 53. er ok... 54. another perfectlly logical post that will be ignored... 55. Um its hit the fan already, and youre still fanning it... 56. don't your fingers hurt yet? 57. again your logic will be ignored... 58. No its not an admission of guilt on any level... 59. Logic again, it will be ignored except when its used against you, and I'm sorry they'll do that, they always do for some reason...amazing we ended up in the same clique, too bad these rabble rousers dont have access to the merchants forumn lol...then they'd know just how silly this whole clique thing sounds. 60. at this point there is nothing any one can say or do that will change the outcome... 61. Lunatics with gasoline and matches should be avoided at all costs... 62. I know how much it took for you to post this and I really appreciate it... 63. you really need to find a productive way to channel all this energy you have... 64. HEAR HEAR! I respect that honesty Mehndi, I was tempted to point that out in the last thread we were accused of being a clique in, but I refrained... 65. how often exactlly do you have to replace your key board?...I suspect from all the salavating and constant pounding you need to replace at least once per week... 66. agreed :( 67. The situations are also totally different in that (a) no one contacted me prior to dragging my name through the mud & (b) I didnt ask for this... 68. I appreciate your active role in this thread, but they arent listening...its why I'm not commenting, they are proving my choice... 69. BS deffinatelly sums up this thread... 70. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck... 71. I always love your posts, but at the moment I feel like poop poop poop :( 72. *sigh*...up to 72 posts now, havent you people hurt me enough? 73. They arent listening to reason, its why I wont comment... 74. Humanity...it almost makes me wish I'd been born a dog... 75. You're really gonna hurt yourself if you don't calm down... 76. Yes I changed the images, but after 75 posts, can you honestlly blame me?...think about it... 77. At least some people understand my lack of response... 78. See, no matter what you say they turn it around, its hopeless... 79. will it ever end?...I doubt it, and even if it does, the damage that has been done can not be undone... 80. ok, you're deffinatelly psycho 81. there is no doubt in any one's mind of this now... 82. you dont wear panties?... 83. You promise?...nah cant be all, your torch is still flickering, I'm sure you'll be back... 84. I think you really need to give it a rest...you wouldnt deal with me in email, you're too immature for my tastes... 85. ok... 86. Thanks, but they arent listening... 87. And I suppose this thread is making Staale more valuable?...its doing us both more harm than good, but you people just cant get that through your ever so thick skulls...and back the hell off of Elusion! 88. Its a very sad thing... 89. *cry* 90. Actually this thread should never have happened, much less been moved... 91. You still at it? 92. People fear the unknown, that is human nature...I am unknown, because I usually keep to myself, I'm not in any cliques, and even now I'm not responding...when you're the quiet type people don't know what to expect from you and so they "fear" you... 93. more fuel...havent you grown tired of this yet?... 94. great yet another thing for people to blame me for... 95. Oh my god, is it finally over? 96. guess not 97. Ok Staale now you've gone a bit to far, why not post the entire image I sent you?...could it be because you yourself see and understand what really happened here?...or maybe you just want to see me fall for some strange reason?...Fact is I DID NOT OWN one of your origionals prior to creating my texture, I DO OWN an image that looks remarkably like your own, We could have handled this like civilized adults, but you chose instead to act like a child!...Am I at all sorry?...HELL NO!...you have without a doubt hurt me far worse than I ever deserved, and for every similarity you can point out, I can point out a difference...You are a bitter and paranoid soul... 98. This is no longer worth my time or energy... 99. People just keep making assumptions, and tossing in thier opinions... _____________________________________________________________________________ In conclusion...after having my reputation butchered, and my name drug through all the mud possible, I am sick to death of this entire situation, I considered deleting my account all together and giving up, but to hell with that...To the people who supported me, Thank You, I really appreciate all your support, to the people who felt it necessary to discredit me, Thank You also, you have delt a bad blow to my reputation as well as caused me physical pain hope you're happy with yourselves... The attached image is the entire image that I sent to staale, it contains a recent photo of my own hand, as well as one of the many source photos I used in creation of BobbySue...While I did not own any of staales origionals prior to this incident, I did own a derrivative which I did reference while photoshoping the texture, I did not copy it, as in copy/paste, I did how ever try to duplicate it by repainting it pixle by pixle because it is a very good palm texture...The texture in the store has been changed not because it was a copy, but because I chose to change it rather than hear any more shit about it... I never intended to post to this mess after my initial post, this should have been handled in private...