Actually, there are/were more than two participants -- and of course your debate would provide a valuable insight into setting a ruined (varying point of view) straight -- no doubt.

Say...I know you!  You're the PC lobbyist the original poster hired to set all the others back on the right and virtuous track -- towards the Windows world.

Oh, the road to ruin is so cluttered with the remains of frustrated would be emperors!

Adios...