To some of you negative people.. I joined this forum because of the helpfull nature of everyone, in the past month I have noticed a turn towards the other way..(just like so many other forums) Lets keep Renderosity a fun place not one where people are scared to post because of ridicule. Sinv-jica, I think you need to do a little more reading and less posting of slams. Here is a copy off Corels page concering Bryce ----------Begin------------ Pricing and Availability Bryce 5 for Windows 98, Windows Me, Windows 2000, Windows NT 4.0, and Mac OS 8.6, Mac OS 9.x, and Mac OS X will be available in July. The suggested retail price is US $309 for all platforms. Registered users of any version of Bryce are eligible to purchase the upgrade version of Bryce 5 for US $159. French and German versions of Bryce 5 will be available in August 2001. ---------END------------ I know people personally that own Bryce 5 and are enjoying it as we speak, just because a companies website doesn't offer it for sale doesn't mean its not out.. Look at www.kenwood.com they don't even mention their new amps yet, but we have them in the store already.. The morale of the story is, take what people say as truth untill they prove themselves untrustworthy then you can discredit them. Thanks, and many happy posts to everyone in the future.