silverblade:

**I would not have thought someone like yourself would have made those two posts as written. They show lapses in known facts vs interjection of your personal biased views and even have hostility in some of them. It's even more confounding as we have talked before and you seem like someone that is trying to give to the community yet somehow has done what a select few have done and made personal conjecture vs known fact. No one has or can prove me wrong on my technical statements because everything I have said is at present date backed by many media sources which I have already sighted in prior posts above so I won't repeat. If others can back up any statements with known facts sighting long standing news media outlets then by all means use them when posting as I always read or listen to them because technology is constantly changing.

So, I will challenge you on your personal views on a point-by-point basis below.**

LCBoliou
majority of Vue users are Joe Public, not pros, and E-On better remember that (regarding the utterly asinine price Vue has reached for it's more "complete", ha what irony!!, versions. Damn foolish of them to push Vue's price that high, sigh.)

**Really? This coming from you sounds petty. Your use of colorful language aside, it serves as no purpose here. The goal of any company is to make money and prices will always rise. You have a rather hostile view to this company for someone wanting to use it. Setting their price to $1,000 for the Vue Infinite and about $600 more for "extreme" is not that unreasonable. They are aiming for a high-end market, not a cheaper Poser market. It takes money to put together a design team to come out with a new version, add features, fix bugs, etc. so without money there will be no Vue product at all. Also, compared to C4D, Maya and Max it is still within price.

As to the statement Vue users are Joe public not pros is something I think e-on may disagree with. Joe public as you say does not use 3D software and uses their computers for basic tasks.**

Most folk are not computer experts. It takes folk time to learn about them, many folk don't want to learn that stuff, in fact why should they have to at all?! Ever asked yourself that?
All they (Joe Public) should need is just enough to deal with their computers, they want the "meat and potatoes", not digging the damn things up or slaughtering 'em! hehe

The general computer users are not computer experts on that much I will agree. But saying "many folk don't want to learn that stuff, in fact why should they have to at all?" is something a lot of educated people would laugh at. They are not toasters and why they should need to is simply so you won't be ignorant of basic tasks of how computers are used in general. Also, it give your "Joe public" at least a very basic skill set in the work force as it is common place now that at least some skills with computers are required.

It's ridiculous really, that you have to spend so much hassle getting a good computer, setting it up right, spending so much money...bah, bloody stupid, no wonder many pople preffer consoles, phones and other systems for their games, browsing etc.

**There is no hassle if you have the proper knowledge to get you by. As to people preferring consoles to computers for games that market trend has been there for years. I grant you Microsoft has made a darn good console and is the leader in on-line gaming. Only now is Sony starting to catch up. In fact, the GUI to their 360 reminds me a lot of Apple and Sony reminds me a lot of Linux.

In terms of spending so much money that depends on what you are using it for. Computers have used Moore's Law combined with ecnomic inflation to net a typical cost of about $2000 for a typical system.

Of course you can avoid the headaches of setup and setting it up right if you buy a Mac Pro. :-)
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Of course to solve the

Someone may come along with a much better, cheaper system and blow the Mac and PC world's to hell and gone, and good thing too! Long as it runs Vue I'd be happy ;)

Anything is possible but it will be some time if ever this happens because of how most are dug in and the vast majority of software for the Mac and PC. The best i would say is a Linux OS provided it had the support of all the developers and professionals.

MACs used to dominate graphics for 2 reasons:
standardized colour system
Photoshop.
Not been that way for a while though.

"Mediocrity" ... hello, I've got news for you, Her Majesty the Queen, dictators, presidents and everyone else: we're all Human, we all have the same biological processes.
So elitism be damned, we all need to poo! :p

A computer is just a tool, nothing "Individual" about it, unless you have sat down and built one yourself from a Millenium Falcon toy, or some such (In which case, well bloody done, mate!).

It's what you DO with a tool that makes it individual, it's what you do in life that earns respect, not what computer you own, clothes you wear or any such like frippery.

Agreed. That is why I am disappointed to read your words here. Statements like those blasting e-on software seems uncalled for at best.

I don't mind if folk love MACs, hey knock yerself out, if you're happy, great! :)

Agreed and vice versa as I said a number of times.

But until someone can knock Microsnot into the dustbin, which I wouldn't mind at all, AND gave us a free, stable, secure OS that will work with our apps....we're stuck.

Alas, like it or not, Microsnot set a standard around which a coherent system could evolve. Apple had a silly closed in monopoly that damn near wiped them out years ago, "exclusivity" = mass extinction at some point, as history teaches us :D

**FACT vs Incorrect information > Fact is it was Apple that set the standard upon which a "coherent system" can be built for the public when they introduced their very first Mac. It was Microsoft which later came out with Windows, a GUI on top of DOS format like Apple. To this day, Microsoft has been copying what Apple has done and is even more evident with their Windows 7. This even translates over to their product like the Zune.
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**It was not and is not a closed system for Apple that gave them such struggles. To understand this you have to know both companies history here. Other factors were in play. Apple computer let Steve Jobs go and that is the primary reason for what nearly cost them their company. The other factors included the cash flow on hand when the ".com" bubble burst. There are many articles a few books and even a few audio books at "audible.com" on how Apple turned things around, the return of Jobs and more. If you love computers you will find it enjoyable.
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Today, what we all need, ALL  of us, is a free, stable, secure, fast, effcient OS, that works with MS products and that can evolve with hardware improvements.

It's a rip off that we have to pay for an OS, something which you simply cannot do without, and which the 2 monopolies have made a shambollick mess of, compared to the openess of the Linux crowd.
I don't use Linux, I want as little hassle as possible, and as much compatability as possible. Otherwise I'd be all over it like a rash! Linux does indeed show the way.

**Agreed about Linux. However as you may know Mac OS X has a Unix underpinning as opposed to the kernal in Windows providing a more robust and stable foundation. Certified "Unix 03"

Here is a factual link to back it up, others can be provided.

**en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_X

renders up a scene of a giant airship dropping hundreds of tons of poo on Microsoft and Apple HQs! :tt2:

So me, as an "individual", I don't like any of the monopolies, but I'll use what works and is cheap.
Yes I'm cheap, damn right I'm cheap!! Because I don't have much money, and what I do have I'll spend on Vue and content, rather than an extra £500 to £2000 on a MAC! :lol:
Man, £1400 for 64 bit Vista rig with 8 gigs was a PIA to pay, but, it is a huge improvement.

If Blender was like Vue, I'd be all over that, too. But it's about as much fun to use as covering yourself in chocolate and kicking your toe up a hungry hippopotamus's bum! :D

And now, for something completely different!

On a less silly note...have you or anyone else compared an Apple 8 core, versus a dual Xeon i7 for render speeds? :)

Look for a report on 3D World, they said coming soon. There have been tests done by Toms Hardware and some others but not sure about render speeds tested. Will have to look that up.

Jeff

Development on: Mac Pro 2008, Duel-Boot OS - Snow Leopard 10.6.6 & Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit, 2 x 2.8 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon , 10GB 800 MHz DDR2 RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 8800GT.