I wish I could help, but I'm too much of a goof. :) No, err... I have to hand it to you bloodsong, when you get a new piece of software you really go all out and learn it, don't you? Now for what you said about the altitude thingie: PLEASE don't tell me that!!! How about rendering? Will it only mess it up when you try to edit it, or as soon as you close the window? I LOVE Vue's altitude-dependant materials. I'd hate to think that somehow they broke it. :(