I just DON'T understand what all the excitement about these volume things is about!! In bryce, many users found out how costly they were (and had no real effect that I could see, good or bad) in terms of rendering... Here in vue the volume stuff seems to just be more trouble than it is worth! It's downright ugly and makes bad things happen... I did make a new post asking to see some of the new mountains and trees... I REALLY want to see what vue 4 CAN do!! I want to be assured that the wonderful natural looking skies are still there...that there ARE new plants and trees, looking just as good or even better than the ones in 3.1... So I look forwards to the replies to my thread... and I do send all of you best wishes for a speedy recovery from this volume of stress! :) Sara