I understand why Trav did this and I am sure he will not be the last. For those of you who want to know just how bad the stealing has gotten, just check out the free textures here. You will find Stalle, Happyworld and even the original Vicky texture with small changes made to them and the originators name erased. Daz has not acted on the giveing away of there Vicky texture yet (remember you had to buy this one)but it is just a small sample of people takeing other peoples work and calling it there own. The Forums is changeing. No going back now. Ignorance is no excuse, if you edit or add to a downloaded texture or mesh and call it an "Original" by you then you are adding to the problem. Paul Hafeli