continued, The entire evolution of the product and it's meshes and morphs have to a great extent come from it's users, not the company. For instance, Vicki wouldn't even exsist if it wasn't for how libiral the polacies have always been. Travaler (If my memory serves) came up with the idea for the new joint and parameters, not Meta, Zigote, or Daz. The program and companies have done nothing but benefit to an insane (and Profitable) extent because of it. That is why, as I have learned, Daz has alowed people to release mashed, or 'Vertical only" .obj morphtargets from Vicki 2. They do seem to understand this. By the way, The way this all started was a question from a friend of mine Eric, who is a corprate lawyer. He was wondering how the maket place or free stuff page even exsisted, because it was copyright infringment from the get go. The conversation cased me to call Daz and findout what liabilities were involved with the new figure, but antway, according to Eric, if the mesh is copyrighted, and the figure is copyrighted as well, but there is no geometry involved, paramater changes (Like Morphs) are theory or consepts only. (Consepts can be protected too but it gets mesy and I couldnt understand a word of what he was trying to explane to me. "I sware he wasnt using real words.") Since the base figure is copyrighted though, the base should not be able to be modified in any way for public distrobution. This came off the top of his head, and he told me he would have to do a bit of reasearch to make sure he was corect. But... that is where Meta (which keeps getting bashed for some reason), Zigote, Curious Labs, and Daz, have all been so wonderful to us, in allowing it's patrons to have limited free reigh on the stuff they release, Don't ever think though, that there not reaping the benefits, or raking in the cash for it. It is simple and good buesness sence, and I do apreciate there allowing us theese liberties. -Gabe-