plugins would be the icing on the cake I think. I am waiting for a little while before upgrading to B5. I own xfrog so plants are not something I would use to determine the useablity of a renderer. Though I believe B5 offers alot in the way of improvements, especially in render quality. Perhaps B6 will have plugins lets all hope! Poser imports have always been easy in B4 so no need to for me to directly import a pz3 file if no animation is imported with it who cares if its a pz3 or a 3ds or a obj? Besides who wants fast if quality has to suffer, Never used the no AA setting for a reason. It will remain to be seen what people can create with the tree editor and metaballs, I will go out on a limb here and say you will in the long run be able to create more real plants with good use of tree editor and metaballs then vue would ever dream possible.