MikeJ opened this issue on Apr 22, 2009 · 38 posts
MikeJ posted Thu, 23 April 2009 at 7:12 AM
Quote - 2 points:
Personally I like the ads, I may see something that intrigues me and I'll click on it, I may have missed it in the RMP for whatever reason, without the ads I may have never seen it.
In the current economic climate I don't need to be paying out more money just to get rid of ads that don't bother me.
Not having a go, I understand your view, I don't see it being popular in the long run and I don't see it making more money for the site over the ads. [if they get paid for the ads!]
You missed my point, I think. I don't mean Renderosity as it is, I mean a separate Renderosity, a more professional Renderosity, a potentially more respected Renderosity, perhaps offering features along with a subscription, such as access to full tutorials and such, like Gnomon does, and... who knows what else.
Even so, I'd gladly pay a monthly fee just for the sake of avoiding all the ads here, even if nothing else was changed or added. Lots of us don't need ads in our faces at all times and know how to find something we're looking for, and aren't addicted to Poser where we need to know what the latest thing is by the latest Hot Merchant. But really, they'd have to offer at least a few more features as well. Maybe a Renderosity URL for your own use (within the CG context, and laws, of course), and site-wide discounts on all products.
Perhaps subscription members, for example, could upload tutorials and content and get a small kickback from their contributions, if good enough. For example, I make an hour long video tutorial on how to use Modo for making Poser morphs, and it can only be downloaded by subscription members. The fact that it exists adds ever-so-slightly to the value of a subscription membership, and I get a small fee for making it, if it's approved as being of high enough value and quality. Before you know it, there are thousands of professional tutorials here, made by people who might otherwise not do it for free.
And before you know it, the Max, Maya, and Mudbox people are coming out of hiding, and creating valuable learning resources, possibly in a Poser-centric context, which there is nowhere near enough of out there. Ever seen a professional and thorough video of how to optimize, rig, texture and animate a Poser figure in Maya? I sure haven't seen anything like that.
And yet, people do it. There are loads of pros using Poser resources in professional work, they just don't talk about it much, because Poser and its community has this very unprofessional stigma attached to it. That could be changed...
Just an example, and yes, there would be alot to consider in making such a thing work for everyone involved.
And I'm also suggesting that there should be quality standards on MP items. Currently, all anything here has to do is work as advertised. It can be crap, useless, and cause your whole computer to lock up, but if it's advertised as crap, useless and BSOD fodder, and it works exactly in that way, then it's acceptable. ;-)
And it would be cool to see this place progress higher in the CG world. As it is, it's known almost exclusively as a Poser site, for Poser people. The unfortunate reality is, half the professional CG world sees it as a joke and a haven for hobbyists. Go to CG talk and ask why there's no Poser forum, for example. if you don't get banned outright, you'll at the least receive a very cold reception. It can be improved upon without alienating the hobbyists though.
Well, we Lightwavers get that kind of treatment there, too, at times...
But also, I like this place. There are quite a few really talented, smart and funny people here, but I find myself viewing alot of artwork and reading alot of posts that really test my will to stay quiet...
(Such as this one, I'm sure alot of people will think. ;-) )
It would be cool to be able to browse here in sections that were accessible only to those who were more experienced or more professional, or at least dedicated enough to part with some cash to be part of it. n00bs tend to get on my nerves, especially 15 year-old Poser n00bs. ;-)
And a whole lot of the ad banners are silly and even embarrassing, especially moreso, considering they're supposed to be taken seriously... I sometimes look over my shoulder to make sure there's nobody seeing what's on my screen, because a whole lot of it is too embarrassing to bear...
Maybe a subscription membership could offer the ability to filter out ads and art except by certain people and certain types of content, and a section where you can view what's new and only what's new, and filtered by date, subject, and so on. Of course, the MP would have better search and filtering options too. For example, I was looking at products here yesterday and had to sort through ten thousand uninteresting and uninspired expansion, prop, and texture packs made by people I never heard of, with very obviously low quality, before finding something I liked. And no, I didn't buy it because all that energy I spent looking made me wonder why I was looking to buy something I could just do myself, anyway. I know I can go to DAZ and get something that's at least passed some quality standards and would be alot of effort to reproduce on my own. Here, it's a crap shoot, a gamble.
Again, I'm saying optional. I don't know how anyone could be opposed to the idea of creating a subscription version of the site for those who might be interested, while leaving the current site as-is. The difference, of course, would be the subscription members would have access to more features. Obviously the management would have to determine if it could be made profitable, so they should really be the only ones opposed to such a thing if it's determined it would be a wasted effort.
Just thinking out loud here, really. ;-)