Realm_Of_Illusion opened this issue on Apr 22, 2009 · 40 posts
ArtPearl posted Fri, 24 April 2009 at 10:47 AM
I was a bit surprised you found it necessary to defend e-on from me this time - Did you read the whole thread? I made an effort to mention everything I could in their favor :) I said they were quick in their initial responses...I admitted I made a mistake in interpreting the comparison list...I adviced the OP to contact them again because they may not understood what her problem was...I'm being more than fair to them. Short of blindly being their mouth-piece, I dont think it is possible to be more considerate.
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Quote - I think they just did everything in a terrible rush and therefor bugs and non-sensible decisions crept in. And a lot of them.
Just because you don't agree with their decisions, doesn't mean they did everything 'in a terrible rush.' "
The specific context of this statement was the fact that the comparison list states that v7Comp AND v6pro behave the same way with respect to wire display when there is an object in front. Reality says - it isnt. So something went wrong during the decision making and list writing.
(I have quite a few additional similar examples of inconsistent implementation. )
This combined with the fact that they are soooo slow in doing something about the reported and acknowledged bugs led me to think they must have been in a rush. Are you saying they make mistakes like that after careful consideration, no time pressure? Are you sure you are advocating for them ?
"Of course you are welcome to your opinion. "
Really? I got your approval? omg you make me so happy...
"My opinion, is they make decisions like this one for a reason, and IMO, the preferred OGL display is the current one: the red-outlined display. "
"Keep in mind, it does not 'show it much closer,' as it maintains it's correct perspective in the scene."
That was mentioned several times in the thread. no one disputes it. But if the hidden parts of the wire arnt hidden it is harder to perceive spatial relations. Well known phenomenon - every artist knows it. Artists are taught to put items behind each other because the hidden parts enhance depth perception.
"If you are editing a scene with many objects partially or mostly hidden, this feature is invaluable.
Frankly, I never really cared one way or another about whether a wireframe is 'behind' or 'in front.' Never had an issue as I, like others here have mentioned, tend to use the three views more than the camera for positioning. Perhaps it's my training in perspective drawing, but I have no problems with the current implementation. In fact, highlighting the object in red wireframe makes it simple to see what I'm working on better."
Good for you. It is not a natural skill, it is an acquired skill. To tell you the truth - I can cope with it too. I worked a lot with vector display software/hardware with no hidden line possibility.I think the brain gets trained to make use of what's available.
But in a way this is proving my point - professionals can use this 'feature' easily and they find uses for it. For artist they made the wrong decision. Without training it is hard to perceive depths without the hidden lines. Not a valid statistical sample, but everyone in this thread said if they had only one display option they would prefere having hidden lines.
"Perhaps if discussed directly with e-on support in a reasonable manner, they will implement both preview techniques in the Preferences."
Roi did approach them first and waited weeks for a helpful reply. She didnt get it. Maybe they didnt understand what her problem was, but I did in a blink of an eye so why couldnt they? who is the pro here? (In all the bugs I found I worked hard to verify to the best of my ability that it is a bug. I reported to them not to the forum. I think it was in a 'reasonable manner' Success rate was approx 3/13. Is that a satisfactory result?) She did approach them again, and I'm positive she was 'reasonable' - we are all awaiting the response, I hope your faith in them is justified.
"I doubt threatening them with more forum threads or claiming they did everything in a terrible rush would endear them to rapidly help out. Though, who knows?"
Chipp, you really disappoint me here. Why is opening a new thread telling vue'er what bugs I found, what was fixed and what wasnt (and what reasons were given) seen by you as a threat?
I have gone out of my way to give e-on ample opportunity to fix the bugs. In the last few weeks I was too busy with other things so I dint even bother them. There was no progress whatsoever in this time. Not a single fix not even a single update. I always had my doubts if I should keep my bug reports 'secret', and I'm getting to the conclusion I was wrong in doing so. I owe e-on nothing- I paid for a working product and I didnt get it. I owe the community the knowledge of what I found wrong. They are my partners in this situation, maybe I can save them a bit of time and frustration.
So you say a new thread is a threat - do you think I will include lies in it? has anything in my posts lead you to believe I will include anything but the facts? has anything led you to think I am doing this because I hate vue? because I want to inflict harm on e-on?
I should hope not. But if it is only the true facts of my bug reports, do you think that telling the truth is a threat? would the truth harm them? because if so it isnt me who is threatening. its their own actions.
Oh - and endearing myself on them - not really anywhere in my list of objectives. Getting a rapid response - I'm not getting this whether I bug them or leave them alone, approach them directly or post publicly. Sigh...
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