lol...i know i know...well they fit me! :) the waist is ok..i like the "ROOM" they have...and they have enoph space to go camping...lol i love the way they are airy.... heh...:s its for a character i will be makin...guy and girl, sorta gangster...raver types... anyway...if ya can help me out...or you can even comment on them lol..whatever ya wanna do! :) CD-RW;)