That's lovely, Capt! Bloodsong, the way I understand things, it should be okay for you to post the scene because: * the eagle VOB comes with Vue 4 * a person will need Vue 4 to open a Vue 4 VUE scene * a person will need Vue 4 to open a Vue 4 VOB object * a person will need Vue 4 to access Vue 4 MAT files Same if you were posting a file containing, say, a SolidGrowth Cherry Tree. I like what Steve got from it. I've found that contrast is real tricky in the volumetric atmospheres. You need to start with [ambient--sunlight] all the way up to sunlight, 98 or 100%. That's just where to start, as it doesn't do the job all by itself.