A demo of max is great, but do you have $3500 to go buy it after the demo has expired? The Amapi download is free and it will never expire, it's a very serious 3D modelling program. FREE NURBS PEOPLE! it will let you make anything you want, and it's used professionally in 3D a lot. It's worth the download, I promise, go get it and see for yourself, it will let you make things for bryce that you can't do without spending BIG money on something like max. The version for free is v4.15, the new version is v6, but the differences are small. By the wat if you buy Carrara right now for $399, you get Amapi v5 plus all the plugins for Carrara with the deal. If anyone is looking for a cheap modelling package, this is the deal. kaom