Khrys, Poser 4 has been around for, what, about a year and a half now? They've had plenty of time to bring out Poser 5. I just hope it's worth the money. I've heard very negative things about Bryce 5. Not that that has anything to do with it; they're not the same company, I know, but when upgrades come out, people tend to search for all the flaws and point them out. I think I'll wait until people have tried it first and see what they have to say about it. Melanie