Actually, one of Bryce's selling points to me was its ability to use Photoshop Plugins. I use Kai Power Tools all the time for textures, etc. On the whole, I'm not really into abstracts so I would have to say they are relatively equal when it comes to realism. So far, no one with Bryce 5 has mentioned how good the plant function works, and there has been no mention of the metaballs modeller. I'm wating to hear. I want to be able to export models, and from the lack of any mention, I have to assume that neither vue nor Bryce can export. Oh well. I'll still probably upgrade both of them.