I'm glad you turned people on to the demo. Max is an incredible program, but most people I know can't spend that kind of money. I really think Bryce users who have a little money to invest should look into the Carrara deal right now, I've used Carrara since it came out and love it, it's like the poormans 3D Studio Max. And it does paticle effects and animation. If you can affored Max I say go buy it, it will do things nothing else can touch for the money. I wasn't pointing anything at you miden1138. By the way what is the 1138 for? THX1138? Just wondering, what a great movie. I just wanted to alert people to Amapi for free, cause it is a great deal. By the way, next month in Computer Arts(the same company in England that does the 3D mag)is giving away a free full version of Amorphium. kaom