I just checked out Corel's site (have been for the past couple of weeks) and it doesn't look like Bryce 5 is on sale yet...although they say it will be on sale this month. They're going to have to offer some vast improvements for me to upgrade to 5. I just upgraded to VUE 4, and it seems eons ahead of Bryce. (Little pun there on e-onsoftware. I know, very little.) I am interested to see some feedback on Bryce 5 from the beta-testers. But then I guess I'm in the wrong forum for that. Besides, I thought the Poser Pro-Pack was a pretty good first step for Curious Labs in upgrading 4.03. And they've already released two Service Releases. I haven't gotten into the Python scripting yet, but it looks interesting. Doc