Fisty - you rock. I'm going to have to learn the cloth room parameters. I know what they do, but I don't know what are the right values to do various things on purpose.

I certainly don't know how to make the panties tighten up - the crotch is hanging down and I don't want that. Is it because the panties are parented to the hip? I'd expect them to just stay where they are and be pulled up by the bent over pose. Oh well.

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Renderosity forum reply notifications are wonky. If I read a follow-up in a thread, but I don't myself reply, then notifications no longer happen AT ALL on that thread. So if I seem to be ignoring a question, that's why. (Updated September 23, 2019)