hi all- thanx for your help. thanx willf, i downloaded pixel3d and will check it out after work tonight. boton- yeah, i plan on using premiere and after effects to composite and print it. 'it' being a demo reel. i'm not looking to be a production artist, so i figure it's not important to build it in 3d max, which is 'the standard' in the states. your using matrox is helpful.