Forum: Vue


Subject: Recipy for detailed terrain renderings with Vue 7

alexcoppo opened this issue on Jun 30, 2009 ยท 40 posts


alexcoppo posted Thu, 02 July 2009 at 9:37 AM

I have added two images in my gallery which provide facts about:

  1. standard vs. procedural terrains performance (sorry but bilinear vs. bicubic interpolation are different... I am not going into a discussion which would require some knowledge of signal processing, as I assume not many people here around crunch signals since 1985) and...
  2. ...an image which shows that the procedural terrain edge bug is not only alive, but kicking (well, why should E-On spend time fixing bugs when they can add new ones?).

More than dwelving with these petty subjects, I'd like to make some final remarks about the reactions to my post.

In the past I had complained about Vue performance with this kind of feature (and the reason was that I would have liked it to stand well to Terragen competition) but had offered no advices, so a "shut up, you bloody whiner" remark could have been appropriate (even though not terribly polite, but respect for others is not a tradition of this forum, so I wouldn't have complained).

Now, I have found a wonderfully simple way of handling the problem (which actually amounts to little more than selecting another kind of interpolation) and... well, I did not expect people to dance and chant Kumbaya... or may be yes because it was clear that now I would not keep beating this "horse"... and instead...

...instead a got the usual rabid reaction from the usual suspects.

It does not make sense, does it?

Not even solutions are right?

Well, the answer is contained exactly in that word: solutions. A solution implies that there is a problem and therefore hits the sore spot: Vue has problems, bugs and not all its tools work equally well.

It is a demented conclusion, because no program is bug free and a significant part of the internet is about program users communities in which people exchange techniques and information about bugs and workarounds but, apparently, the world around Vue is different.

There is a moderator on Cornucopia forum who has this signature: "Vue has no bugs, it just develops random features" or words to this effect. I have come to the conclusion that, in that Twilight Zone called E-On Software, denizens do really think so. Vue has no bugs, it just develops random features, Vue has no bugs, it just develops random features (add the Hypnotoad buzzing sound).

Sorry, but the Hypnotoad has no effect on me, so it is time for me to go to other avenues, like, e.g. using a program which:

  1. is more than reasonably priced w.r.t. to Vue (the Pro version costs less than Vue Complete), developed by a firm well known for its rock bottom prices (and that looks like it is not going to change its policy in the future);
  2. this firm is legendary for missing deadlines but, at least, when new versions come out are not Kathrina-like disasters like Vue 7.4/7.5 "patch";
  3. a program in which creating a sharp terrain is not the result of painstaking tests, but the result of just checking off an (obvious) option in the terrain editor;
  4. a program in which, a perfect newbie like me creates his first, picture perfect clay render in 10 minutes (5 to read the manual, 4 to setup scene/lighting/shading/rendering options and 1 to render);
  5. a program which can create renders both in the sharp TG2 way or in the "Constable" way (see DOM1 gallery here on Renderosity to understand what I mean);
  6. a program in which, should I ever reach this level of competence, I can do everything, from modeling to texturing to rigging to animating;
  7. a program which has no obnoxious copy protection scheme, not integrated with Windows security features in place since the early 1990's (well, from the programmers who create stupid wrap-around bugs like the terrain one, would you expect to integrate into Windows security?), ready to explode at any moment, preventing me from keeping using what I have legaly licensed for an unlimited time with my credit card;
  8. ... I could go on, but this would become a Silverblade33-like post (dear Silveblade33, you are one of the few people here that I will miss).

...were you expecting a Bye? Sorry, no. Byes are for friends, or, at least, for people with whom there is mutual respect. For everybody else, there is that wonderful option in the forum list page: [hide].

P.S.: should you do not know who the Hypnotoad is, google for it and have a look at some relevant videos on YouTube.
P.P.S.: what is the "program" I was wrinting about? As a hint, have a look at this site.
P.P.P.S: sorry thefixer, but in a couple of minutes time I will steal you the pleasure to ban me from this site (I am evil, am I not?).

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