Thank you very much! I've been trying for months to get a decent looking Asian character based on Mike. One thing that is odd, I opened up your file, then loaded in another character based on Mike, and the face of the second character had very obvious signs of Musashi as well. It looked pretty good, actually, but when I saved the character, created a new scene and brought the blended character in, the changes were gone. I wonder if this is related to the Vickis copying certain set ups.