about the speed of bryce...you have to remember that bryce is a TRUE raytracing program! Even though the render speed is poor the output is excellent!!! For me this is what really matters. I could care less if I had to wait hours or days for my render to finish, as long as I know that it will look good. But if the render time is a priority then you can just do a network render of it. I know for Max there are a variety of sites that will allow you to use their computers to render a file and I'm sure with the new network compatibilities of Bryce they will be popping up all over the web...