rockjockjared - you've zeroed in on the essential point. There's something about Bryce renders that you simply can't find in any other app, be it the hobbyist ones we use or pro things like Maya or .... well, you name any. Don't get me wrong, Vue (use and like that, too), WB and all the rest can make superb pics - but they can't Bryce ;-) Personally, I had made a firm decision NOT to upgrade. Then I started checking out galleries here and just about everywhere else on the net to see which other app would be a better choice. When I was done, I orderede the Bryce upgrade ;-)