personally, i don't see why everyone gripes about the way Posette's joints look when you bend them.....take a look at your own knees, for example....bend your shin til your calf touches your thigh......see??? the calf disappears into the thigh, and your knee flattens out completely...... --------------------------------------------------- one thing that really impresses me about Poser is the natural look of the neck when the head is tilted back or twisted......i've noticed that whenever i look to one side or the other, this big thingy bulges out of my neck, just like my Poser peoples.......... --------------------------------------------------- i deeply appreciate the fact that Curious Labs had the foresight to assure them that no one would EVER want to change the bodies of the Poser peoples, and create the clothes accordingly.....i mean, what a waste of time, creating clothing that would conform to the body once morphs are applied, e.g. Nerd's EMC items........ --------------------------------------------------- is there a morph out there.......somewhere.......that will bend Poser peoples' hands in a manner that suggests that they don't have actual wrists?????