I knew there was something I was missing with making the tire, I was starting to go insane. I'll be trying to make another tonight, and hopefully I'll be able to pull it off. Making a tire and texturing it is turning out to be quite a lesson in Carrara, I can't believe how tricky it is. You must be a pretty clever guy litst, cause you're able to do stuff with this program that I can't even begin to figure out. Thanks for the help to litst and rockjockjared! I appreciate it, I guess that's what makes the Carrara forum the best and my favorite here at renderosity. The Rhino forum comes in a close second, but the Carrara forum rules. I'll let you know how things work out for me with this tire project later tonight, hopefully all goes well! Thanks again, kaom